The ultimate sleeper

"BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather" (bugeyedacura)
11/02/2013 at 21:54 • Filed to: None

All you'd have to do is fix the suspension and the interior.

DISCUSSION (27)

Reigntastic > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
11/02/2013 at 21:55

Have you ever seen the movie Drive with Ryan Gosling? They definitely make good sleepers, but FWD is weak.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Reigntastic
11/02/2013 at 21:57

Unless you're gonna be a drift champ, FWD is fine.

Reigntastic > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
11/02/2013 at 22:27

It's fine, but it's definitely not preferred. Push>Pull, in both straight line comfort and cornering. It would have TSC, no drifting here, boss.

GhostZ > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
11/02/2013 at 23:10

Missing the SS badge.

190e30-Now with COSWORTH > Reigntastic
11/02/2013 at 23:14

Understeer is a lot more manageable and controllable than oversteer. More control can mean better handling. Plus, not all FWD cars are understeering pigs. My first car, a FWD, had the suspension tuned so that, when cornering, you could use understeer by hitting the gas around the corner to hold the line to the edge of the corner, or you could lift, get a bit of oversteer, tip the noce in, and clip the apex perfectly.

I hated FWD too, until I drove a good one.

Victorious Secret > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
11/02/2013 at 23:26

IDK, I really liked our SS's suspension. Rode like a Cadillac of old.

Interior was crap though in a way only GM could do.

I like to think of that as the FWD Crown Vic. Not that FWD is bad, like I gave many damns about it. Maybe shove a set of nice coils and a LSD up front and you'd have what could honestly be a competent driving car for when you want to shut up the kids at the red light or just really need to get to that AARP meeting in time.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > GhostZ
11/03/2013 at 00:14

The new 3.6 actually has as much power as the 5.3 from the SS did.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Victorious Secret
11/03/2013 at 00:16

"In a way only GM could do it"

Amen. I mean it makes your hands feel oily to even touch it. And the seats stick out more in the middle than they do in the bolsters.

Reigntastic > 190e30-Now with COSWORTH
11/03/2013 at 00:16

I've driven plenty of FWD cars to understand the difference, before my MR2 I drove a GLI (LSD equipped, 2.0T, 6SPD MT, etc etc). Average consumer won't even turn off TSC, so oversteer is really a non-issue, especially if the car is tuned conservatively, like a sedan would be. Handling characteristics are more comfortable and better for putting power to the ground.

"Front wheel drive cars are for feeble people." -Jezza

YesILoveCars > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
11/03/2013 at 00:18

Make it RWD by driving backwards. I do.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
11/03/2013 at 00:42

I agree.
these "vanilla, jelly beans" have some serious grunt.
personally, i'd put GTi buckets in the front, put brembos on all four corners, and then just do some really stiff anti roll bars, so it's ride height remains the same sleeper height as it normally is. I'd also find some really sticky rubber for it!

jdrgoat - Ponticrack? > GhostZ
11/03/2013 at 01:10

And a six speed auto in place of the four.

Milky > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
11/03/2013 at 02:37

'Unless you're gonna be an auto enthusiast, FWD is fine." - Fixed it for ya.

GhostZ > Reigntastic
11/03/2013 at 09:59

Not to mention the whole "all of the weight shifts away from your drive wheels" problem during forward acceleration.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Milky
11/03/2013 at 11:27

The ITR, GTI, Mini, Abarth, Speed3, and Cobalt SS would like to have a word with you.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
11/03/2013 at 11:29

I was thinkin Camaro buckets to, ya know, keep it in the family lol.

But that's exactly what I was thinkin. Plus I'd have to rip out the horrible plastics too.

Milky > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
11/03/2013 at 12:00

All cars derived from pedestrian family cars, just pumped up to be sporty. The Elan and Fulvia can have a stern talk with me, not those cars.

#RWDfanboy

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Milky
11/03/2013 at 14:08

Well when the new CTR is lapping the Nurburgring as fast as a 911...

Isn't it nice to know that RWD can fill in the gaps left by missing driver skill for the the average enthusiast?

1337HPMustang > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
11/03/2013 at 14:16

All I see in those cars is a compromise. Cramped engine bays, no chance to pull off something fun like a 180, and i4s make for a car with little potential, and no style (except the corrado, my one indulgence).

Milky > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
11/03/2013 at 15:07

I don't know how to respond to you. For one I don't know what the "CTR" is. For two, are you saying it takes less skill to drive a RWD car?

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Milky
11/03/2013 at 17:40

First off, CTR stands for Civic Type-R. Second off, for the average driver, a RWD car takes less at 8/10s than a FWD. At 9/10ths-plus the RWD becomes a more dangerous animal, I agree. But for average shenanigans it's much easier to coax about.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > 1337HPMustang
11/03/2013 at 17:46

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > 1337HPMustang
11/03/2013 at 17:52

If you can't do a 180 just because its FWD, you're not trying hard enough.

And I just can't bring myself to buy a V8 just for the sake of it. There's just so much potential in modern smaller engines. And the idea of an ultimate lightweight DD that can do everything better than most sports cars just do one thing is just too much to turn down. To me, a modern hot hatch or other FWD performance 4 is just having my cake and eating it too.

SCR - The Soup Of The Day is Bread > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
11/03/2013 at 22:21

I absolutely love these things. A black 2012 (because 3.6 6spd) will in fact be my next car if I can find one cheap enough. Then add some performance pieces from various W-Bodies throughout the years and maybe some bucket seats from a Camaro or something and well, well we might have something

SCR - The Soup Of The Day is Bread > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
11/03/2013 at 22:21

Has like ~80 less ft. lbs of torque though

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > SCR - The Soup Of The Day is Bread
11/03/2013 at 22:39

That was exactly my thinking. A good set of sway bars would fix a lot of the roll. And because it's becoming pretty ubiquitous, the 3.6 should be pretty easy to make go.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > SCR - The Soup Of The Day is Bread
11/03/2013 at 22:44

But the 6-speed makes up for a lot of that lack while returning much better mileage.